Rachel Ray and her husband of nearly 20 years have a “strange way” of ensuring balance in their marriage.

On the third episode of Ray’s new podcast, “I’ll sleep when I’m dead” Ray invited Jacques Pépin to discuss the importance of marriage. Ray told the French chef that she and her husband, musician and lawyer John Cusimano, “brought something to each other.”

“You know, (John is) a lawyer and a musician,” Ray began. “I’m not a musician. I’m definitely not a lawyer. I hate reading legal documents and official stuff, but we balance each other in a weird way. We allow each other to open up to different worlds.”

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Rachel Ray and her husband John Cusimano have a “weird way” of balancing each other. (Getty Images)

She added: “I also think it’s fun to be able to express your thoughts truthfully.”

Ray and Cusimano married in Italy in 2005 and renewed their vows in 2015 at the same castle in Tuscany where they said, “I do.”

“You know, (John is) a lawyer and a musician. I’m not a musician. I’m definitely not a lawyer. I hate reading legal documents and official stuff, but we balance each other in a weird way. We allow each other to open up to different worlds.”

-Rachael Ray

During the podcast, Ray credited her husband for playing a “critical” role in her success.

“I love my husband, John, and John works with me and has built our business and our brand together, but we agreed on the concept of service to the community, service to the world, service to animals and to the children,” Ray said.

Cusimano is a musician and entertainment lawyer. (Noam Galaï)

She continued: “It was very important to me to marry him, because I thought this person could be a true partner in what I believe in, helping people and building not a business, but a community. “

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This isn’t the first time Ray has spoken candidly about her marriage to Cusimano on her podcast, which debuted in October. The old Food Network Star revealed some unconventional tips and tricks that help keep a relationship strong.

“I’m extremely lucky to have my husband,” she said in the first episode of her podcast. “But he understands that I need my space. He needs his space.”

Rachael Ray and her husband John Cusimano were married in 2005. (Jamie McCarthy)

She also said that she and Cusimano did not believe in the importance of avoiding conflict.

“It’s very difficult, especially for people who are angry or creative or loud, to be able to just calm down,” Ray told his guest, Jenny Mollen.

“John and I never calm down. We have huge screams all the time, but I think it’s healthy. I really do. And I don’t trust people who are too quiet.

Rachael Ray said she and her husband “never calm down.” (Getty Images)

“Too much silence freaks me out. I’d rather you tell me what you think when you think about it, and let it all be said. »

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Ray and Cusimano also have a unique way of making up after an argument.

Ray isn’t afraid to argue with her husband of almost 20 years. (John Lamparsky)

“I don’t know if we ever apologize,” said the Star “30 minute meal” said. “Eventually, I’m rubbing his ass or he’s kissing me on the head, and that’s just it. That’s the apology.

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“It’s just kind of understood. ‘I still like your a–. I still like your face.’ It’s kind of in that area.”