He went more rhetorically in the interview than he often does in his public campaign appearances, and he made several remarks that run counter to the constructed “midwest nice guy” persona that is often can relate to who he portrays in most of his media appearances.

Vance often attacks Harris on the stump, but his comments with Dillon took a particularly gendered approach. From the start, Vance began mocking Harris for his laugh, describing it as awkward and inauthentic.

“I tried to put my finger on what was going on about Kamala Harris, like the very fraudulent laugh that I find so off-putting, and it’s like the laugh of someone who just made you feel really bad. comfortable,” Vance said.

Later in the conversation, Vance described Harris as unfun and generally unfriendly — although he noted that he had only met her in person once.

“There are too many things going on like school teachers. I just don’t know,” he said.

The Harris campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.