In a city between two nations, Arnoldo Montiel knows exactly where he stands when it comes to immigration.

The 80-year-old man lives in Nogales, on the border between Mexico And the United States, practically all his life.

He says this issue is one of the main reasons he voted Donald Trump.

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“These are people who are illegal. They have no place in the United States,” he said. “If they have to come in, we welcome them. But they have to be legal.”

As he heads toward the border wall that straddles the Arizona city, he thinks the problem is why. Kamala Harris lost the elections.

“Why do you think she lost big?” » he asks, before answering his own question: “The border and foreign affairs”.

In many ways, Arnoldo’s life has been defined by the question of boundaries, not only because of where he lives, but also because of who he loves.

His wife Lupita lived on the Mexican side of the border wall, which meant she had to apply for citizenship.

Like her husband, she supports Trump’s approach to immigration, which the president-elect says will involve mass deportations.

She calls President BidenThe “horrible” approach.

“He just let everyone in, there were crimes, there were murders,” she adds, echoing some of Trump’s assertions on the issue the day he told NBC News he would continue with plans for mass deportation no matter the price.

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For some, like young mother Corinna, the subject is more than a debate, it is their reality.

She voted for Kamala Harris, whose family is in focus, because she wants her two-year-old daughter to grow up in the United States.

Her Mexican husband is currently applying for U.S. citizenship, and she fears stricter border control rules could separate her family.

“I want my family to be together and I want a better future for my daughter,” she said, adding, “I just hope everything works out in the end.”