Rachael Ray has the recipe for success when it comes to maintaining a long and loving marriage.

The old Food Network Star revealed some unconventional tips and tricks that help her maintain a strong relationship with her husband of 19 years, musician and lawyer John Cusimano.

“I’m extremely lucky to have my husband,” Ray said in the first episode of her new podcast, “I’ll Sleep When I’m Dead.”

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Rachael Ray and her husband John Cusimano have some unconventional marriage rules. (Jamie McCarthy)

“But he understands that I need my space. He needs his space.”

Part of this space may be because the couple is facing difficult situations head-on and they don’t believe in avoiding conflict.

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“It’s very difficult, especially for people who are angry or creative or loud, to be able to just calm down,” Ray told his guest, Jenny Mollen.

“John and I never calm down. We have huge screams all the time, but I think it’s healthy. I really do. And I don’t trust people who are too quiet.

Ray isn’t afraid to argue with her husband of almost 20 years. (John Lamparsky)

“Too much silence freaks me out. I’d rather you tell me what you think when you think about it, and let it all be said. »

“John and I never calm down. We have huge fights all the time, but I think it’s healthy. I really do. And I don’t trust people who are too quiet.”

-Rachael Ray

Ray and Cusimano also have a unique way of making up after an argument.

“I don’t know if we ever apologize,” said the Star “30 minute meal” said. “Eventually, I’m rubbing his ass or he’s kissing me on the head, and that’s just it. That’s the apology.

“It’s just kind of understood. ‘I still like your a–. I still like your face.’ It’s kind of in that area.”

The couple met through a mutual friend in 2001. (Stephen Lovekin)

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In 2022, Ray told People magazine that their relationship worked because they “balance each other” and “always have.”

“We have volatile personalities, but we’re also both very practical,” she said. “It’s his lawyer side and my domestic side. We say, ‘These are the things that need to get done today. And we’ll only get there by doing the necessary work.’

“We have volatile personalities, but we’re both very practical too. It’s his lawyer side and my domestic side.”

-Rachael Ray

“John and I didn’t meet until later in life and we didn’t get married until almost 40 years old. We knew who we were. We have always been like this, for 20 years. We don’t take it too seriously when a person just needs to vent or explode.

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“We’re also very good at being quiet with each other. We don’t want there to be constant chatter. And we’re very good at giving each other space to work on our passions.”

Cusimano is a musician and entertainment lawyer. (Noam Galaï)

Rachael and John met through a mutual friend in 2001, and his work changed when he became more serious about being a TV personality.

“I was practicing in New York as an entertainment lawyer, primarily in film,” he said in an interview shared on the website. “Rachael Ray Show” website. “Then I met this one (Ray), and now I only have one client, and her name is Rachael Ray. So I work on our businesses all the time.”

She acknowledged that her legal mind has benefited her busy lifestyle, both on camera and behind the scenes.

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“The smartest thing I ever did was marry an entertainment lawyer. It saved me a lot of money,” Ray said.

The celebrity chef’s popular daytime talk show, “Rachael Ray”, ended in spring 2023 after 17 seasons of broadcast.